--- type: "Topics" locale: "en" url: "https://longbridge.com/en/topics/41770956.md" description: "Finally have time to reply to you. Hello, colleague.I believe embodied intelligence is a scam, and the blame for this should primarily fall on academia rather than industry. This concept was initially hyped up by academia, but in industry, "robots" are not a new term. Robot learning itself is not a scam, but the claim that "general embodied intelligence is coming soon" is almost certainly a scam.I graduated with a bachelor's degree from a second-tier university and am now pursuing a master's at Xinjiang University, with limited guidance from my supervisor. When reproducing results, I often fall into deep self-doubt because many papers at the Oral level suffer from the common problem of overly narrow contributions paired with overly broad titles and dissemination. High-level papers make strong engineering abstractions appear very concise, then package them as general embodied intelligence through titles, abstracts, and dissemination.When it comes to industry, it gets even more interesting. The companies I've been in contact with (mainly small and medium-sized enterprises; I don't have access to large enterprises) that claim to work on embodied intelligence robots are essentially just adding an LLM to the old RTOS, performing some simple RAG or rule-based natural language instructions. Many home robot demos rely on human-in-the-loop remote control. Remember Figure AI? They also only use a small number of robots for simple tasks in factories. Regarding evaluation standards and simulation granularity, the current industry is a complete mess, generally lacking sufficiently fine-grained physical information, which is precisely the precision required for dexterous manipulation. And then there's Musk's Optimus; during its launch in 2024, the on-site interaction also heavily relied on manual operation.It's a basic rule that industry leads academia in practice, and academia leads industry in theory. But now, even the strong industry hasn't produced epoch-making results, and even the strong academia hasn't produced truly epoch-making theories. So, using these results to seek financing, isn't that just hype?You might mention VLA. VLA is not epoch-making. It essentially just stitches together existing advancements in "visual recognition, language understanding, and action generation" with an end-to-end network. The engineering integration is beautiful, but the underlying paradigm hasn't changed; it still lacks commonsense reasoning, physical intuition, and generalizable operational intelligence. But without changing this paradigm, it's hard to say there will be a breakthrough in the short term.It's true that visual recognition is advancing, it's true that language planning is advancing, and it's true that imitation learning is advancing. But putting these things together is, at best, just a Plus version of RTOS, not even close to touching the concept of embodied intelligence." datetime: "2026-06-12T12:57:32.000Z" locales: - [en](https://longbridge.com/en/topics/41770956.md) - [zh-CN](https://longbridge.com/zh-CN/topics/41770956.md) - [zh-HK](https://longbridge.com/zh-HK/topics/41770956.md) author: "[吉姆哈克的交易员](https://longbridge.com/en/profiles/10212142.md)" --- # Finally have time to reply to you. 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The impact from enhancing productivity to producing productivity is not simply one plus one equals two. What is the cost of cultivating a person? If it can be reduc - **坚定回调做多思维 · 2026-07-06T03:14:45.000Z**: Nonsense - **砺身济世 · 2026-07-05T05:17:19.000Z**: At present, autonomous driving is still closer. Robots are at least five years away. The long-term certainty is very strong. Bullish in the long term, bearish in the short term. - **Optimus X · 2026-06-12T13:42:03.000Z**: By the way, I can also see some of your "pain" between the lines. I'm a Ph.D. candidate, and my research topic is related to embodied intelligence. My supervisor provides very little guidance, so I might be able to give you some advice as a senior. Usually, read more papers from top research - **Optimus X** (2026-06-12T13:43:21.000Z): You can also attend some conferences, like the recent Zhiyuan Conference. - **吉姆哈克的交易员** (2026-06-12T13:43:59.000Z): Indeed, but I started with the GNN direction, which is even more painful. That hits home.🫠 - **Optimus X · 2026-06-12T13:26:33.000Z · 👍 1**: It's a matter of perspective. Since you're also a researcher, I'll elaborate a bit. You can check out the demo of pi0.7 and genesis ai; you can still see the budding signs of physical intelligence. Scientific research always leads the way; things like vla and wam are explorations at the frontier. If - **股魔大霍 · 2026-06-12T13:12:53.000Z**: I've always had an idea that a widely applicable super robot shouldn't be humanoid. It should use wheels or something underneath, which also saves the need for a balance system. It just looks a bit off-putting. Aren't automated factories also Ai now? Anything that's hyped too much loses its value. - **吉姆哈克的交易员** (2026-06-12T13:15:06.000Z): From my pragmatic perspective, it really shouldn't be humanoid, but the community also discussed the necessity of humanoid forms today. - **股魔大霍** (2026-06-12T13:18:20.000Z): It's unnecessary. Automated machine tools have nothing to do with humanoid robots. I see a lot of people focusing on humanoids, which is time-consuming and labor-intensive, not to mention the key poin - **郭九日** (2026-07-06T04:14:31.000Z): At least from the perspective of sexual repression, humanoid forms are more easily accepted, hahahahahaha. As for other aspects, I'm also looking forward to a hundred flowers blooming with various for - **王肖恩 · 2026-06-12T13:12:07.000Z · 👍 2**: The analysis is truly brilliant! However, a few years ago, I really couldn't have imagined that such powerful AI would be born in the world, which has almost liberated all my work content (by setting up workflows through skills, etc., and the rest is just reviewing results. The only obstacles are th - **吉姆哈克的交易员** (2026-06-12T13:13:07.000Z): I also really hope embodied intelligence develops; the application of household robots would be a great boon for all of humanity. - **王肖恩** (2026-06-12T13:20:15.000Z): It's mainly AI and embodied intelligence that make me feel uncertain about the future production relations and distribution systems of humanity. With these two things combined with the existing produc - **郭九日** (2026-07-06T04:11:35.000Z): Will eventually leave Prussia, and as for where to go, hopefully towards civilization.