<p>作者：詹姆斯·奥利凡特</p><p>华盛顿，1 月 15 日（路透社）- 路透社在周三与美国总统唐纳德·特朗普在椭圆形办公室进行了采访。以下是这次 30 分钟交流的一些要点：</p><h3>特朗普以自己的方式行事</h3><p>特朗普多次对公众、商界领袖甚至他的共和党同僚在格林兰未来、对美联储主席杰罗姆·鲍威尔的刑事调查以及经济状况等问题上的担忧表示不屑。</p><p>当被告知路透社/Ipsos 的民调显示美国人对控制格林兰的支持不温不火时，特朗普称该民调为 “假新闻”。</p><p>“我不在乎，” 当被问及一些参议院共和党人对鲍威尔调查的反对时，他回应道。“我不在乎，” 当被提醒摩根大通首席执行官杰米·戴蒙担心白宫干预美联储可能会损害经济时，他再次说道。</p><p>当被问及美国人对高物价的担忧时，特朗普重申经济是 “历史上最强” 的，并表示他需要更好地宣传自己的成就。（他提到了一本特别准备的厚厚的文件夹，列出了他在任期间的成就。）</p><p>总统暗示他遵循自己的判断标准。“很多时候，你无法说服选民，” 他说。“你必须做正确的事。然后我做的很多事情在政治上并不受欢迎，但当它们取得成功时，结果却变得受欢迎。”</p><h3>伊朗的观望态势</h3><p>当天早些时候，特朗普告诉记者，他认为对伊朗抗议者的镇压正在减弱，尽管他拒绝透露信息来源。尚不清楚他是否仍在考虑对该国下达美国军事打击的命令。</p><p>尽管他对伊朗政权发出了一系列威胁，但在采访中，特朗普对他希望在伊朗发生什么并没有明确表态，拒绝呼吁推翻该国统治者。他也拒绝支持流亡的伊朗王储礼萨·巴列维作为潜在的未来领导人。</p><p>“我不知道他在自己国家会如何表现，我们真的还没有到那个地步，” 特朗普说。“我们必须逐日应对。”</p><h3>和平是艰难的</h3><p>特朗普讨论了他的两个标志性和平倡议：加沙的停火和他结束俄罗斯在乌克兰战争的努力。这两项努力都遇到了困难。</p><p>尽管他声称自己为中东带来了和平，但特朗普承认哈马斯仍未解除武装——这是停火协议的条件——而且尚不清楚他们是否会解除武装。“他们生来就手握武器，” 他说。“所以，我们必须找出是否能够做到这一点。”</p><p>关于乌克兰，特朗普再次暗示俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京准备达成协议。当被直接问及阻碍是什么时，特朗普回答：“泽连斯基，” 指的是乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基，他坚持认为自己的国家不会以任何代价寻求和平。</p><h3>支持移民执法局</h3><p>特朗普似乎对上周在明尼阿波利斯被 ICE 特工枪杀的雷妮·妮可·古德的死表示一些同情，称其为 “一起非常不幸的事件。” 特朗普的国土安全部长克里斯蒂·诺姆将古德称为国内恐怖分子。</p><p>但即便如此，他明确表示他支持将武装特工派往美国城市的决定。</p><p>“我知道这是一种艰难的处境。在这种情况下，几乎没有人对警察，特别是 ICE 特工表示尊重，” 特朗普说。</p><p>他说他将继续向城市派遣武装特工，声称他的努力已经将 “数千名谋杀犯驱逐出境。” 没有证据支持这一说法。</p><h3>管理中期选举的预期</h3><p>总统对他的共和党可能在今年的中期选举中失去对美国众议院或参议院的控制表示沮丧，引用了历史趋势，即执政党在总统任期的第二年通常会失去席位。</p><p>“这是一种深层的心理现象，但当你赢得总统职位时，你不会赢得中期选举，” 特朗普说。他自夸说自己取得了如此多的成就，“当你考虑到这一点时，我们甚至不应该举行选举。”</p>

<p>在最近的一次路透社采访中，特朗普总统驳斥了公众和共和党对各种问题的担忧，声称经济是历史上最强劲的。他对美国在伊朗的军事行动表示不确定，并承认在加沙和乌克兰的和平倡议中面临挑战。特朗普为自己对移民和海关执法局（ICE）行动的支持辩护，尽管发生了一起有争议的事件，并对即将到来的中期选举中可能出现的共和党损失表示沮丧，引用了历史趋势</p>

<p>By James Oliphant</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>作者：詹姆斯·奥利凡特</p>
</div><p>WASHINGTON, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Reuters sat down with U.S. President Donald Trump for an interview in the Oval Office on Wednesday. Here are some takeaways from the 30-minute exchange:</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>华盛顿，1 月 15 日（路透社）- 路透社在周三与美国总统唐纳德·特朗普在椭圆形办公室进行了采访。以下是这次 30 分钟交流的一些要点：</p>
</div><h3>TRUMP’S DOING IT HIS WAY</h3>
<div class="lb-trans"><h3>特朗普以自己的方式行事</h3>
</div><p>Trump repeatedly dismissed concerns by the public, business leaders and even his fellow Republicans on issues ranging from the future of Greenland and the criminal investigation into Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell, to the state of the economy.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>特朗普多次对公众、商界领袖甚至他的共和党同僚在格林兰未来、对美联储主席杰罗姆·鲍威尔的刑事调查以及经济状况等问题上的担忧表示不屑。</p>
</div><p>When told that a Reuters/Ipsos poll found tepid support among Americans for taking control of Greenland, Trump called the poll “fake.”</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>当被告知路透社/Ipsos 的民调显示美国人对控制格林兰的支持不温不火时，特朗普称该民调为 “假新闻”。</p>
</div><p>“I don’t care,” he responded when asked about the pushback by some Senate Republicans against the investigation into Powell. “I don’t care,” he said again, when reminded of JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon’s concerns that White House interference in the Fed could harm the economy.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>“我不在乎，” 当被问及一些参议院共和党人对鲍威尔调查的反对时，他回应道。“我不在乎，” 当被提醒摩根大通首席执行官杰米·戴蒙担心白宫干预美联储可能会损害经济时，他再次说道。</p>
</div><p>When asked about Americans’ worries about high prices, Trump reiterated that the economy was the strongest “in history” and said he had to do a better job of promoting his achievements. (He referred to a specially prepared thick binder that listed his accomplishments in office.)</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>当被问及美国人对高物价的担忧时，特朗普重申经济是 “历史上最强” 的，并表示他需要更好地宣传自己的成就。（他提到了一本特别准备的厚厚的文件夹，列出了他在任期间的成就。）</p>
</div><p>The president suggested that he follows his own compass. “A lot of times, you can’t convince a voter,” he said. “You have to just do what’s right. And then a lot of the things I did were not really politically popular. They turned out to be when it worked out so well.”</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>总统暗示他遵循自己的判断标准。“很多时候，你无法说服选民，” 他说。“你必须做正确的事。然后我做的很多事情在政治上并不受欢迎，但当它们取得成功时，结果却变得受欢迎。”</p>
</div><h3>A HOLDING PATTERN ON IRAN</h3>
<div class="lb-trans"><h3>伊朗的观望态势</h3>
</div><p>Earlier in the day, Trump told reporters he believed the crackdown on protesters in Iran was easing, although he declined to cite his source for the information. It remained unclear whether he was still considering ordering a U.S. military strike on the country.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>当天早些时候，特朗普告诉记者，他认为对伊朗抗议者的镇压正在减弱，尽管他拒绝透露信息来源。尚不清楚他是否仍在考虑对该国下达美国军事打击的命令。</p>
</div><p>Despite his stream of threats toward the Iranian regime, Trump was noncommittal in the interview about what he wants to see happen in Iran, refusing to call for the ouster of the country’s rulers. He also declined to offer support to the exiled crown prince of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, as a potential future leader.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>尽管他对伊朗政权发出了一系列威胁，但在采访中，特朗普对他希望在伊朗发生什么并没有明确表态，拒绝呼吁推翻该国统治者。他也拒绝支持流亡的伊朗王储礼萨·巴列维作为潜在的未来领导人。</p>
</div><p>“I don’t know how he’d play within his own country, and we really aren’t up to that point yet,” Trump said. “We have to play it day by day.”</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>“我不知道他在自己国家会如何表现，我们真的还没有到那个地步，” 特朗普说。“我们必须逐日应对。”</p>
</div><h3>PEACE IS HARD</h3>
<div class="lb-trans"><h3>和平是艰难的</h3>
</div><p>Trump discussed two of his signature peace initiatives: the ceasefire in Gaza and his attempts to end Russia’s war in Ukraine. Both efforts have hit rough patches.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>特朗普讨论了他的两个标志性和平倡议：加沙的停火和他结束俄罗斯在乌克兰战争的努力。这两项努力都遇到了困难。</p>
</div><p>Despite his claim that he had brought peace to the Middle East, Trump conceded that Hamas had still not disarmed – a condition of the ceasefire agreement – and it was unclear whether they would. “They were born with a gun in the hand,” he said. “So, we’re gonna have to find out whether or not we’re gonna be able to get it done.”</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>尽管他声称自己为中东带来了和平，但特朗普承认哈马斯仍未解除武装——这是停火协议的条件——而且尚不清楚他们是否会解除武装。“他们生来就手握武器，” 他说。“所以，我们必须找出是否能够做到这一点。”</p>
</div><p>With regard to Ukraine, Trump again suggested that Russian President Vladimir Putin was ready to strike a deal. Asked directly what the hold-up was, Trump answered: “Zelenskiy,” referring to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, who has maintained his country won’t seek peace at any cost.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>关于乌克兰，特朗普再次暗示俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京准备达成协议。当被直接问及阻碍是什么时，特朗普回答：“泽连斯基，” 指的是乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基，他坚持认为自己的国家不会以任何代价寻求和平。</p>
</div><h3>BACKING ICE</h3>
<div class="lb-trans"><h3>支持移民执法局</h3>
</div><p>Trump appeared to express some sympathy for the death of Renee Nicole Good, after an ICE agent shot and killed her last week in Minneapolis, calling it “a very unfortunate incident.” Trump’s homeland security secretary, Kristi Noem, labeled Good a domestic terrorist.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>特朗普似乎对上周在明尼阿波利斯被 ICE 特工枪杀的雷妮·妮可·古德的死表示一些同情，称其为 “一起非常不幸的事件。” 特朗普的国土安全部长克里斯蒂·诺姆将古德称为国内恐怖分子。</p>
</div><p>But even so, he made clear he was standing behind his choice to send militarized officers into American cities.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>但即便如此，他明确表示他支持将武装特工派往美国城市的决定。</p>
</div><p>“I know that it was a tough situation to be in. There was very little respect shown to the police, in this case, the ICE officers,” Trump said.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>“我知道这是一种艰难的处境。在这种情况下，几乎没有人对警察，特别是 ICE 特工表示尊重，” 特朗普说。</p>
</div><p>He said he would continue sending armed agents into cities, claiming that his efforts had taken “thousands of murderers out of our country.” There is no evidence to support that assertion.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>他说他将继续向城市派遣武装特工，声称他的努力已经将 “数千名谋杀犯驱逐出境。” 没有证据支持这一说法。</p>
</div><h3>MANAGING MIDTERM EXPECTATIONS</h3>
<div class="lb-trans"><h3>管理中期选举的预期</h3>
</div><p>The president expressed frustration that his Republican Party could lose control of the U.S. House of Representatives or the Senate in this year’s midterm elections, citing historical trends that have seen the party in power lose seats in the second year of a presidency.</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>总统对他的共和党可能在今年的中期选举中失去对美国众议院或参议院的控制表示沮丧，引用了历史趋势，即执政党在总统任期的第二年通常会失去席位。</p>
</div><p>“It’s some deep psychological thing, but when you win the presidency, you don’t win the midterms,” Trump said. He boasted that he had accomplished so much that “when you think of it, we shouldn’t even have an election.”</p>
<div class="lb-trans"><p>“这是一种深层的心理现象，但当你赢得总统职位时，你不会赢得中期选举，” 特朗普说。他自夸说自己取得了如此多的成就，“当你考虑到这一点时，我们甚至不应该举行选举。”</p>
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Five takeaways from the Reuters interview of President Trump

- 美国总统特朗普在采访中多次否认公众对其政策的担忧。  
- 他表示经济最强，需更好宣传成就。  
- 特朗普对伊朗和乌克兰的局势保持不确定态度，强调继续采取行动。

从路透社对特朗普总统的采访中得到的五个要点