Solstice Advanced Mat Reports Q1 2026 Results: Full Earnings Call Transcript

Solstice Advanced Mat (NASDAQ:SOLS) released first-quarter financial results and hosted an earnings call on Wednesday. Read the complete transcript below. This content is powered by Benzinga APIs. For comprehensive financial data and transcripts, visit https://www.benzinga.com/apis/. The full earnings call is available at https://event.choruscall.com/mediaframe/webcast.html?webcastid=qlFPh7yJ Summary Solstice Advanced Mat reported strong financial performance in Q1 2026, with $991 million in net sales, a 10% year-over-year increase, and $249 million in adjusted EBITDA. The company is investing heavily in growth areas such as electronic materials and nuclear, with a $200 million investment in the Spokane facility to double capacity for semiconductor-related materials. Solstice reaffirmed its full-year 2026 guidance, expecting net sales between $3.9 billion and $4.1 billion, and adjusted EBITDA between $975 million and $1.025 billion. Operational highlights include significant growth in the nuclear and electronic materials segments, and the expansion of capacity to meet increasing demand. Management expressed confidence in continued growth, citing strong demand trends and strategic investments in high-return areas, while also maintaining a conservative leverage position and strong cash flow. Full Transcript OPERATOR Greetings and welcome to the Solstice Advanced Materials First Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press Star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Mike Leathead, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Mike Leathead (Vice President of Investor Relations) Thank you and good morning everyone. Welcome to Solstice's first quarter 2026 earnings call. We released our first quarter 2026 financial results earlier this morning. Today's presentation including non GAAP reconciliations and our earnings press release are available on the Investor Relations portion of Solstice's website at investor.solstice.com Our discussion today will include forward looking statements that are based on our best view of the world and our businesses as we see them today and are subject to risks and uncertainties including the ones described in our SEC filings. Joining me today are David Sewell, our President and CEO, and Tina Pierce, our CFO. David will open today's call with highlights of our first quarter results. Tina will then review our segment performance and financial outlook before turning the call back to David for closing remarks. We will then be happy to take your questions. With that. I'll now turn the call over to David Sewell. David Sewell (President and CEO) Thank you Mike and thank you everyone for joining us today. During the first quarter, Solstice Advanced Materials delivered strong top and bottom line results reflecting ongoing robust demand trends across several of our key businesses including nuclear, electronic materials and refrigerants. I would like to take a moment to thank our entire Solstice team for this strong outcome and what was our first full standalone quarter as an independent company. This performance demonstrates Solstice's ongoing discipline, execution and agility not only through our transition to a standalone company, but also in a dynamic macro environment. At the same time, our top tier return profile and conservative leverage position allows us to reinvest and grow at a time when many in the industry have needed to pare back. We continue to invest in compelling growth areas aligned with our strategic pillars such as our electronic materials, safety and defense solutions and nuclear businesses consistent with what we believe are attractive long term outlooks for demand. This growth investment is not just in capex but also higher spending on our R and D pipeline as we work to advance the next generation of critical molecules for our customers. The first quarter was also a strong cash quarter for solstice, generating nearly $200 million in operating cash flow. We are able to use this cash to not only fund our growth investments but also return cash to share owners. As highlighted by our recently announced quarterly dividend, we will continue to be disciplined in our capital allocation, ensuring that we are prudently balancing shareowner returns with opportunities that we believe will unleash long term growth. With this strong start to 2026 today, we are reaffirming our full year 2026 guidance that we provided on our last quarterly call. We continue to believe we remain very well positioned for the year turning to slide 4 I'd like to spend a moment to highlight our ongoing growth investments in advanced computing, which is a key strategic pillar for the company. The semiconductor industry is evolving rapidly and we believe the ongoing shift to advanced nodes and advanced packaging creates significant growth opportunities for Solstice's core deposition and thermal management platforms. Our electronic materials business had a fantastic quarter delivering 21% year on year revenue growth following 19% year on year growth in the fourth quarter of 2025. We think it's also important to note that thermal management for Solstice extends into our RAS business with accelerating sales of refrigerants into data centers and a pipeline of next generation molecules under development. Solstice has a rich history of partnering both with semiconductor companies and H Vac solution providers and we believe this provides us with significant opportunities in this space as a data center ecosystem become increasingly integrated at a product level. An area we want to highlight this quarter is our Sputtering targets offerings for deposition, which we believe are the materials of choice for leading edge semiconductor nodes used for AI and data center applications with robust demand. We are investing $200 million in our Spokane, Washington facility to double our target's capacity, reduce customer lead times and at the same time provide sustainability benefits through increased recycling and CO2 emissions reduction. This is a clear example of where we have the opportunity to invest to benefit our customers, share owners and broader stakeholders. Importantly, as with all projects we evaluate, we analyze opportunities through a strict returns based approach and we do expect this project to exceed Solstice's acceptable hurdle rate of a mid teens percentage irr, underscoring our commitment to our top tier return profile. Given the increasing customer demand trends, we are also evaluating opportunities to further further accelerate similar organic growth investments as well as strengthen our innovation pipeline in this space. All in, we are excited about the growth prospects and recent performance of this strategic pillar and we look forward to building on our strong foundation of innovation with ongoing high return growth investments. Turning to Slide 5 I'd like to discuss our first quarter 2026 consolidated results in the first quarter of 2026, Solstice recorded $991 million in net sales up 10% year over year which exceeded the top end of our guidance we provided for the quarter in our refrigerants and applied solutions segment, strong demand for refrigerants driven by the ongoing HFO transition as well as healthy performance in our nuclear business drove top line growth for the segment. In our electronic and specialty materials segment, net sales growth was driven by robust demand in our electronic materials business for semiconductor applications. Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter of 2026 was $249 million, relatively flat year over year and exceeding the top end of the guidance we provided for the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 25.1% in line with our expectations for the quarter. The decline in margin year over year was primarily driven, as expected by refrigerant mix related to the ongoing HFO transition as well as higher R and D investment as we prioritize next generation innovation and opportunities. As a reminder, this refrigerant dynamic has been previously communicated as we see ongoing strong demand for our LGWP product now approximately four quarters into the 454B transition, we do expect sequential refrigerant margin improvement from first quarter levels and we remain optimistic about the opportunity for further margin expansion and as the aftermarket develops. We reported GAAP net income attributable to Solstice of $85 million for the first quarter of 2026. The decrease year over year was primarily Tina Pierce (Chief Financial Officer) driven by costs associated with being a standalone public company such as higher SG&A and interest expense. We would also note that our non controlling interest was atypically high this quarter at $20 million with the increase driven by favorable convertine margins and the impact from a consolidated entity associated with our Sinochem joint venture and does not reflect the expected quarterly run rate going forward this quarter. We also reported adjusted diluted eps for our first full quarter as a standalone company which was $0.63 for the first quarter. Finally, free cash flow for the first quarter of 2026 was $124 million which is inclusive of the significant year over year increase in growth capex as we invest in high return opportunities across the business including the Spokane expansion that I previously discussed. With that I'll now turn it over to Tina Pierce, our CFO to discuss our financial results for the first quarter in more detail. Thank you David. Turning to slide 6, I'd like to discuss in more detail the key drivers of our year over year net sales and adjusted EBITDA performance in the first quarter beginning with our net sales of $991 million for the quarter, organic net sales growth was 8%, including 6% from volume growth and 2% due to pricing. This primarily reflects volume growth and favorable pricing in both nuclear and refrigerants, as well as volume growth in electronic materials. Our net sales growth also included a 2.5% increase due to foreign currency translation. Turning to our adjusted EBITDA of $249 million for the quarter, which was fairly comparable to the prior year period, year over year, improvement in Electronic and Specialty Materials as well as prudent corporate cost management was largely matched by a decline in Refrigerants and Applied Solutions, which is primarily attributable to the shift in refrigerants mix that David just discussed. Turning to Slide 7, I'll now discuss the results in each of our 2 segments in more detail, beginning with refrigerants and applied solutions. Overall, the segment achieved $711 million in net sales for the first quarter of 2026, reflecting 12% growth year over year. The growth is composed of 9% organic net sales growth and 3% increase due to foreign currency translation. The segment posted $242 million in adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter of 2026, down 3% year over year, and adjusted EBITDA margin of 34.1% down five hundred and twenty two basis points year over year. As mentioned previously, this decrease was primarily driven by anticipated shifts in refrigerants mix and higher R and D spending, which more than offset volume growth and favorable pricing in the segment. Turning to performance of our subsegments, refrigerant's net sales increased 19% year over year to $389 million, driven by both favorable pricing and volume growth across our product offerings. In addition to the strong demand for 454B that David mentioned, the subsegment also benefited from accelerating orders for data centers, underscoring how this business sits at the intersection of multiple key secular growth trends. Our nuclear business had $107 million in net sales of 27% year over year, reflecting both favorable pricing and increased volumes. We remain excited about the future of this differentiated business, which we believe is well positioned to play a critical role in the advanced nuclear renaissance that we are beginning to see unfold. Building solutions and Intermediate net sales were $167 million, down 8% year over year. Although continued softness in the construction market impacted performance, we remain focused on driving LGWP solutions and and on continuing our strong operational execution to ensure we are well positioned to serve our customers upon a return to more normalized demand in key end markets. Lastly, for healthcare packaging, net sales were $47 million, up 9% year over year. The increase was driven by a recovery in customer demand patterns following the destocking we saw in the second half of 2025. Now turning to our electronic and specialty materials segment on slide 8, the segment achieved $281 million in net sales for the first quarter of 2026, reflecting 7% growth year over year. The growth is composed of 5% organic net sales growth and a 3% increase due to foreign currency translation. The segment posted $58 million in adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter of 2026, up 10% year over year and adjusted EBITDA margin of 20.8% of 52 basis points year over year. The increase was primarily driven by volume growth in electronic materials. Looking at the performance of our subsegments, Electronic materials net sales increased 21% year over year to $109 million driven by volume growth and robust customer demand across semiconductor applications. As David discussed earlier, we continue to invest in capacity expansion for electronic materials with semiconductor dynamics and secular trends for AI and data centers driving a significant opportunity for Solstice. Safety and Defense Solutions had $50 million in net sales flat year over year. We anticipate strong growth in the second quarter based on order patterns and we continue to invest in capacity expansion to support long term market demand for our Spectra line of solutions. Finally, Research and Performance Chemicals net sales remained steady year over year at $121 million with growth in fine chemicals offset by ongoing end market softness in specialty additives. Moving to Slide 9 to discuss Solstice's balance sheet and capital management. Our strong balance sheet cash flow generation and conservative leverage position continue to enable financial flexibility and fuel Solstice's many attractive growth investments. I'd like to start with Cash with Solstice generating $199 million of operating cash flow in the quarter. In addition to healthy earnings generation, we were able to execute strong working capital management, reducing our dollar inventory and receivables in the quarter. Despite the healthy increase in revenue and rising input cost, our capital expenditures for the first quarter were $82 million, a 32% increase compared to the prior year period due to planned increases in capital spending to drive long term growth in high return areas of business. As a reminder, beyond the electronic materials project discussed earlier, we are actively investing in our Spectra Ballistic Fibers expansion in Virginia as well as exploring further expansion opportunities in our Nuclear conversion business Turning to our capital structure, we have maintained a conservative leverage profile and strong liquidity position. As of March 31, 2026, our long term debt was $2 billion and we had cash and cash equivalents of $642 million, resulting in net debt of approximately $1.3 billion and net leverage ratio of approximately 1.4 times. Based on a trailing twelve month adjusted EBITDA. As of March 31, 20 26, we also had a billion dollars of availability under our revolving credit facility. Combined with the cash on the balance sheet, this results in approximately 1.6 billion of total liquidity. As David mentioned earlier, we announced last week approval of a quarterly dividend of 7.5 cents per share in line with last quarter. We continue to view returning excess capital to shareholders as a key piece of our overall capital allocation approach. Turning to slide 10, I'd like to discuss our outlook and financial guidance for both the full year and second quarter of 2026. For the full year 2026, we are reaffirming our guidance announced on our last quarterly call. We expect to deliver net sales between 3.9 billion and $4.1 billion, adjusted EBITDA between 975 million and $1.025 billion, an adjusted diluted earnings per share between $2.45 and $2.75. Additionally, we continue to expect capital expenditures between 400 million to $425 million. As David mentioned earlier, the strong first quarter results gives us increased confidence in the year today. We are also providing guidance for the second quarter of 2026 as we want to help investors better understand our business and our first year as a public company. Second quarter we expect to deliver net sales between $1.06 billion and $1.1 billion with an approximately 25 to 26% adjusted EBITDA margin. Our outlook for the second quarter assumes continued momentum in refrigerants, nuclear and electronic materials, and growth in safety and defense solutions based on order patterns. Importantly, it also reflects modest margin expansion as we expect commercial actions to more than fully offset inflation. This 2Q outlook also contemplates a $10 million of planned downtime related expense. Finally, looking ahead, we are pleased to announce that we will be hosting a virtual webinar on June 4th to provide more insight into our nuclear business. Additional details can be found on the events portion of our investor relations website. We look forward to sharing more during the event in June. I'd now like to pass it back over to David for some closing Remarks. David Sewell (President and CEO) Thank you Tina. Please turn to Slide 11. With strong performance in the first quarter and solid momentum heading into the remainder of the year, we are well positioned to to deliver on our full year 2026 guidance. As we discussed today, we are seeing continued strong demand in our businesses that serve key end markets aligned with secular growth trends including nuclear, high performance computing, data centers and defense spending. As a standalone company, Solstice is able to now accelerate our innovation pipeline to stay on the cutting-edge needs of our customers, which is critical to capture this growth opportunity. We're doing this through reinvesting in our businesses both in terms of expanding our R and D pipeline as well as high return growth capex. As highlighted earlier in the call with advanced computing, these are core strategic areas for Solstice where we have both a clear right to play and and a right to win. Fueling all of this growth investment is our current business performance which continues to demonstrate specialty characteristics of strong pricing power, durable margins and high roic. We are deploying our strong cash flow in a prudent manner with high growth investments and returning cash to shareholders through our quarterly dividend. We remain excited about the significant opportunities ahead in 2026. We look forward to sharing additional updates throughout the year and we hope to see you all at our virtual nuclear webinar next month. With that, we are now happy to take your questions. OPERATOR Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star2 to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please, while we poll for questions. Thank you. Our first question is from Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Kevin McCarthy (Equity Analyst) Yes, thank you very much and good morning, David. Nice to see the 27% sales growth in nuclear. A few questions on that business. Can you help us understand the relative volume and price contributions that are flowing through there? Also, I think you had a loan that you'll be repaying this year and so perhaps you can comment on whether that's occurred yet or might be in the future part of the year. And just another question also on long term expansion potential, following on the expansion that you've already done and whether that might be in the cards. David Sewell (President and CEO) Thank you. Morning Kevin. Thanks for the question. And to jump right into nuclear, we saw with the strong performance in Q1, both price and volume, we don't split it out. Exactly. But I would tell you that it was a combination of both. And so we feel really good about that business and it dovetails right into your question. On expansion, our debottlenecking efforts are going extremely well. We feel very good about, you know, a 25% increase in volume that we're going to deliver from our 2024 numbers. And then on the future expansion, we are going down two paths right now. As we mentioned on our last call, we have engaged with a engineering firm to do a study on a variety of options for us to significantly expand our production capabilities, which we see as a need going into the2030s beyond our current capab. And then the discussions we're having with customers and regulators. So customer discussions have already begun to understand what that new demand is going to be as nuclear continues to grow around the world. And those conversations are going extremely well. Very good engagement for customers to ensure that we are partnered with them for their needs as they continue to expand. Very good discussions with the Department of Energy and US Regulators and the NRC on expansion opportunities as well. And so it'll certainly come down to a combination of both what those global customer demand needs are going to be with the expansion of nuclear energy and that build out continues, especially with the acceleration of SMRs and then the discussions we're having with the US government. So that's going extremely well. We will probably be in a position to share more on the engineering work we're doing later this year. It's pretty extensive as you can imagine. And then the last part of your question on the loan, we are doing that loan return, as you mentioned. It's about a $30 million impact for the year. We will not see that in first quarter, probably not much in second quarter, but we'll see that return really in the second half of the year. And then, and then once that is complete, all of our, all of our loan returns will be complete. So we'll be moving forward in full, full capacity for our customers going into 2027. Kevin McCarthy (Equity Analyst) Very helpful. As a follow up, if I may, just a broad question about what you're seeing following the war in the Middle East. Maybe you could comment on, you know, how you're looking at cost and availability trends and whether or not you foresee the need for any incremental price actions or surcharges as you look across the portfolio. Sure. I'll give a kind of a broader view and I'll turn it over to Tina to give you a little bit more specifics. We certainly are not immune from some of the inflationary impact from what's happening in the Middle East. We're certainly seeing it in our logistics costs with diesel fuel and shipping costs. It has had an impact on some of our raw materials, such as sulfuric acid. Having said that, we've been able to partner with our customers and offset that inflation with the needed pricing that we've had to do to offset that inflation. And Tina, I'll just have you kind of give a little bit more color. Yeah, so. Hi Kevin. So, yeah, in regards to the sulfuric olefins and freight that David just mentioned, that represents less than 10% of our total material spend. So rather insignificant. And then as it relates to sulfur, I would just add that we do have kind of a regional approach from sourcing, you know, both in Americas and in Europe. So really minimal disruption as a result of the Middle East. And then we cover price cost in quarter one. We expect to do the same for the remainder of the year. And as you know, we mentioned during our investor day, this was a set of muscles that we developed during 2122. We have very strong analytical tools, so we're extremely well positioned. Good to hear. Thank you so much. David Sewell (President and CEO) Thanks, Kevin. OPERATOR Our next question is from John McNulty with BMO Capital Markets. John McNulty (Equity Analyst) Yeah, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So maybe to start out on the refrigerant side, I guess can you speak to the growth that you're seeing and interest that you're seeing from the data center industry and in particular also speaking to kind of the next generation opportunities. I know you kind of provide them with traditional services now, but I also know there's a lot of interest in some of the two phase direct chip side. And so maybe if you can give us an update as to how those discussions and trials may be progressing. David Sewell (President and CEO) Good morning, John. Thanks for the question. You know, our data center growth has really been a key part of these secular growth trends that we're seeing. From a refrigerant standpoint, we are definitely seeing double digit growth in refrigerants and data centers. We don't pinpoint the number exactly. We have a few different products that go into data centers. So you know, and we're a step removed from that process. But the partnership we have with our customers that are selling into that, we have really good line of sight to a strong double digit growth in data centers. Your comment on next generation is part of the reason why you're seeing a little bit of that R and D spend. We have multiple, multiple projects, co innovating with customers both on the chip side and at the data center infrastructure side. And you're exactly right. I think as you look at what needs to happen as these leading edge nodes, next generation advanced electronics happen, the heat that's being generated, the ambient cooling that's going on is going to continue to be a need, but it's not going to be enough. We're going to have to get the heat off the chip. And that is exactly what we're working on. There's multiple avenues. There's single phase direct to chip which is kind of happening now. I think you'll see soon. Two phase direct to chip that is really going to be a key component which we feel very good about with a lot of the innovation we're doing. And then as you look a little bit longer term, you know, the next four or five years, you know, we're exploring things like immersion cooling and other types of solutions because the heat is just going to be greater and greater. I would add we're also working with data centers on what to do with that heat. So not emitting it into the atmosphere outside of the data center, how do we repurpose that heat and use it to heat communities nearby. So there's an enormous amount of opportunity and we just feel we're extremely well positioned not only to work with customers on leading edge nodes but, but also the cooling with our RAS business, our thermal interface business and advanced electronics. So a lot going on there. And then, you know, at a tertiary level we need more energy for data centers. I mean that is certainly an issue that needs to be addressed. There's an enormous amount of momentum in nuclear energy to help be a solution which is dovetailing right into our nuclear expansion as well. So a lot going on in data centers and we just feel like we're extremely well positioned which is driving some of that R and D costs that we're seeing. But the co innovation pull that we're getting from customers is significant. Thanks very much for the caller. OPERATOR Thanks John. John Roberts (Equity Analyst) Our next question is from John Roberts with Mizuho Security. Thank you. Nice clean quarter and guidance. I have just one question. Your growth in electronics was also at the high end of what we've seen with other electronic material businesses. I think you have an expansion underway, but it doesn't start up for a while. David Sewell (President and CEO) Do you expect to get capacity constrained before that startup comes online and maybe talk a little bit about the growth path there? John, you're exactly right. We are, for lack of a better word, we are, we are selling everything we can make in our Spokane facility. And we are going through work right now to accelerate the expansion that we're doing looking at it and a little bit of a modular design just to help help meet the customer demand that's happening globally. So we are doing an enormous amount of work. We want to expand even faster. The growth is for the forecast that we have is significant. When you look at the numbers for leading edge nodes going into the2030s, that growth rate we really believe is going to continue. So we're doing a lot of work on that, on how we're trying to expand our capacity. We just feel that, you know, our technology in copper manganese is a better technical solution and it's just getting broader adoption in the marketplace as a, as the preferred technical solution. So we feel great about that. And I'd also add what we're seeing in our TIMS business is also significant. And so we're, they're doing a lot of work on, on expansion there and the growth rates that we're doing. So we feel very good about our electronics business moving forward. And the team is working extremely hard to accelerate our capacity in Spokane. OPERATOR Our next question is from Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global. Hassan Ahmed (Equity Analyst) Morning, David and Tina. You know, in Q4 you guys had highlighted, you know, a fairly severe destock that you guys saw in healthcare packaging. So, you know, is that mostly behind us? And if you could just sort of talk about that end market, David Sewell (President and CEO) appreciate that. We were really happy with the recovery in Q1 following that destocking which, which we talked about. So we are, you know, we're very cautiously optimistic about the rest of the year with that. We are definitely through the destocking piece of it. I would also add, you know, the growth that we have with our leader dose inhaler and the opportunity we have in that marketplace. So we're seeing, we're seeing that growth in Aklar. We're also seeing it in our inhaler business. And so we feel like the destocking is behind us as we move forward into 2027. And it was a nice start to the year. Hassan Ahmed (Equity Analyst) Very helpful, David. And as a follow up, you know, the 30 million in legacy costs, you know, how are those trending? You know, if you could just give us an update on the TSAs as well. David Sewell (President and CEO) The TSAs are going extremely well. You know, we'll here at midyear, we're going to have the most significant milestones behind us. We spent roughly 15 million dollars in quarter one. So you know, essentially we're on track with, you know, kind of the spin, spin transition. Hassan Ahmed (Equity Analyst) And Hassan, I would just remind you and everybody that we talked about 30 million of TSA costs this year as we roll those off going into next year. That'll be a good guy as third party spend will come in at a number much lower than that $30 million. David Sewell (President and CEO) Very helpful. Thank you so much. OPERATOR Our next question is from Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Arun, is your line on mute? Let's just go to the next question and we can come back to Arun if our next. Our next question is from Josh Spector with ubs. Josh Spector (Equity Analyst) Yeah, hi, good morning. I was wondering if you could unpack some of the moving parts and refrigerants for us a bit. I think, you know, one of your peers reported and talked about some pricing up and some of the legacy refrigerants. They seem to have maybe some different position than you in 1R 134A. I'm wondering if you're starting to see any benefits that there, if that played into the quarter at all in terms of pricing or if your 20ish percent growth was primarily HFO driven adoption. David Sewell (President and CEO) Josh, I can't speak specifically to our competitor. I haven't seen, I haven't seen the specifics there. But what I would tell you is our focus has been on HFO transition. We feel very good about market share gains there and our growth there. It's been, you know, really strong double digits. As we entered 2026, we had about a ratio of 60% HFO, 40% HFC. And as we exit 2026 into 27, I think we're going to approach 70, 30, which is exactly where we want to be, which is where the market is going. I think there's always, you know, some opportunistic opportunities with HFCs, but, you know, where the market's going with, you know, where the, where the caps are. We feel very good about our position. As we mentioned at Investor Day, we knew we would be at a, at a point where our margins are, you know, year over year as we go through this transition and gain share and position ourselves really as a leader in this segment. And then we'll start to see that sequential growth now moving that full transition is behind us. So we're right on track with where we want to be. We feel very good about our growth. We feel very good about our position in data centers with HFOs, which is where we really want to establish ourselves as a strong leader there. So I guess I would phrase it as we're right on track with how we want to be. The 19% growth was mostly driven through HFOs, which positions us for long term growth. And we feel like we're in a great position with data centers as well. Josh Spector (Equity Analyst) That's very helpful. I just wanted to follow up on the non controlling interest. You called out that that 20 million was kind of anomalous high. What's the right run rate? What would that be? Exosinochem kind of impact in 1Q. What do you expect in your guidance for the rest of the year? Tina Pierce (Chief Financial Officer) So yeah, Josh, it would be closer to. Yeah, we were around 20 million for quarter one, which as you highlighted, we had some favorable mix and pricing in one of our businesses. And then we also had kind of one item that was a little bit unusual in one of the other JVs. So going forward we anticipate more like a $10 million. Excuse me, per quarter. Josh Spector (Equity Analyst) Thank you very much. David Sewell (President and CEO) Thanks, Josh. OPERATOR Our next question is from Avrum Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Arun Viswanathan (Equity Analyst) Thanks for taking my question. Apologies for that earlier. David Sewell (President and CEO) No problem. Arun Viswanathan (Equity Analyst) First question was just. Thanks. Just on the guidance, I think in the past you guys had alluded to Q1 being maybe 23, 24% of the year, Q2 being 26, 27. So looks like, you know, your Q1 was about 25% of your full year guidance and Q2 maybe 27. So you're tracking slightly ahead of those initial expectations that I had. So just wondering if there's an element of conservatism in your guidance. It is obviously very early in the year still and you guys have a lot going on from a growth perspective. So is that the right way to frame it up or do you see actually a slightly lower second half now? How would you kind of frame that up for us? Yeah, thanks, Arun. I'm actually glad you asked that question. We're really pleased with how we started the year and we feel very good about the year. The way we think we think about it is, you know, we have really good momentum heading into Q2. We have, I think we highlighted five planned maintenance outages in Q2. We want to make sure we get through those very solidly. So far. Everything's on track. We feel very good about that. Notwithstanding some announcements last night, you know, there was a tremendous amount of, you know, geopolitical environment that was, you know, wanting to make sure we, we had the right amount of conservatism, knowing what's going on in the world today. But I, I would frame it the exact way you framed it. We feel very good about the year we reinforced knowing that, you know, there's, there's definitely some inputs geopolitically that we want to make sure that, that we took a conservative stance about. And then as we come out of Q2 we'll certainly relook at where we're at in the year. And if that geopolitical environment kind of subsides and we continue to have this great momentum in these secular growth trends which we fully expect, we'll then give an update at that point. Okay, thanks for that. And as a follow up maybe I can ask a question on some of your growth projects. So you've announced investments in ballistic fibers as well as electronic materials. Naes for most of those I think you've alluded to, you cited maybe double digit returns. And so if I'm thinking about it correctly, you have a $220 million or so investment in ballistics and similar amount in electronic materials. So if you look at double digit returns on those, would that be kind of in the order of 30 to 40 million EBITDA each and what's kind of the timing of that kind of flowing into the company? David Sewell (President and CEO) Yeah, thanks. I the way we're thinking and this is kind of going to. We're looking at accelerating some of these because the demand profile is so strong right now. I guess I would think about it is these were originally multi year projects. So we were sprinkling in that strong return over a multi year where we start to see the full benefit, you know, probably you know, two to three years out. What we're trying to with. With incremental benefits as we went along. What we're trying to do with electronics, with our defense business especially is pull in some of these capex projects because the demand is so strong. So that would give us returns a little bit higher earlier versus the longer profile that we had of two to three years out. I would say on AES we are well on track to the debottlenecking for 2026 and so that's going to be a more immediate return. But I think generally you're thinking about it exactly the right way. It's just the timing but we do fully expect all these projects to be in that, you know, above, above teams Mike Leathead (Vice President of Investor Relations) roic yeah, ruin this is Mike. The only other kind of just clarification I would provide to add on to Arun Viswanathan (Equity Analyst) David is remember we talk about things on an IRR basis so that that's after tax. So when you're talking about EBITDA just a reminder, you're going to have to gross that up, which is probably a little bit higher of a number overall. Great. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Thank you. OPERATOR Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to hand the floor back over to Mike Leathead for any closing comments. Disclaimer: This transcript is provided for informational purposes only. While we strive for accuracy, there may be errors or omissions in this automated transcription. For official company statements and financial information, please refer to the company's SEC filings and official press releases. Corporate participants' and analysts' statements reflect their views as of the date of this call and are subject to change without notice.