Full Transcript: DRI HEALTHCARE TRUST Q1 2026 Earnings Call

DRI HEALTHCARE TRUST (TSX:DHT) held its first-quarter earnings conference call on Friday. Below is the complete transcript from the call. Benzinga APIs provide real-time access to earnings call transcripts and financial data. Visit https://www.benzinga.com/apis/ to learn more. The full earnings call is available at https://app.webinar.net/8GvozxVKVny Summary DHT.UN reported 15% year-over-year growth in total income for Q1 2026, reaching $50.6 million, driven by strong royalty income growth. The company's adjusted EBITDA margin, normalized for non-recurring costs, hit a record 91%, reflecting strong operational leverage and synergy realization. DHT.UN successfully executed a $250 million private placement of senior notes, enhancing its debt maturity profile and reducing overall cost of debt. The company received $58 million in total cash receipts, a 6% decrease year-over-year due to one-time payments in the previous year. Management highlighted a potential change of control concerning their Ectorly investment due to Calvista Pharmaceuticals' acquisition, with ongoing evaluations of rights and obligations. The company is focusing on a balanced approach to portfolio construction, leveraging both approved and pre-approval assets to optimize returns. DHT.UN anticipates continued growth in the royalty market and is well-positioned to capture opportunities with improved balance sheet flexibility. Full Transcript OPERATOR Good morning everyone. Welcome to DRI Healthcare Trust 2026 first quarter earnings call. Listeners are reminded that certain statements made in this earnings call presentation, including responses to questions, may contain forward looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of Canadian Provincial securities laws. Forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties and undue reliance should not be placed on such statements. Certain material factors or assumptions are applied in making forward looking statements and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements. For additional information about factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations and about material factors or assumptions applied to making forward looking statements, please consult the MDNA for this quarter, the Risk Factors section of the Annual Information form and DRI healthcare's other filings with Canadian securities regulators. DRI Healthcare does not undertake to update any forward looking statements. Such statements speak only as of the date made. Today's presentation also references non GAAP measures. The definitions of these measures and reconciliations to measures recognized under IFRS are included in our earnings news release as well as in our MDNA for this course, both of which are available on our website and on SEDAR Plus. Unless otherwise specified, all dollar amounts discussed today are in US Dollars. I want to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded today, Friday, May 15, 2026. DRI's quarterly results news release and the slides from today's call will be available on the Investor page of the company's website@drihealthcare.com I would now like to introduce Ali Hadiyat, CEO of DRI Healthcare. Please go ahead Mr. Hadiyat thank you Ali Hadiyat operator. Good morning everyone, and thank you for taking the time to join us today. Joining me on the call are Naveen Jacob, our Chief Investment Officer and Zahid Mawani, our Chief Financial Officer. On the call today I will provide a recap of our first quarter highlights. Naveen will then discuss our portfolio assets and share insights into our market outlook and Zahid will cover off our key financial highlights for the first quarter before moving on to qa. Turning to the first quarter, we continue to carry momentum post internalization. The team is executing well and delivered another solid quarter from a top line perspective. We delivered double digit royalty income growth of 18% which contributed to our total income of $50.6 million which was 15% year over year growth, a first quarter record. The top line performance is underpinned by our resilient portfolio with several assets delivering double digit royalty income growth including Empaveli, Orserdu, Zempazyme and Xolair Partially offsetting these strong comps was softer performance from Vonjo, Rydapt and Oracea. On the expense side, the effect of our internalization optimization work continues to generate strong operating leverage driven by synergy realization and disciplined expense management. All in, we delivered a first quarter adjusted EBITDA margin of 90%, normalized for non recurring cost. The adjusted EBITDA margin would have been 91% which which is a company record. As a reminder, we are reinvesting part of our synergies back into the business to fuel future growth, which is expected to lower our operating margins slightly from the current watermark beginning in Q2. On the operational side, I'd like to share some insights on recent news surrounding our Ectorly investment. KalVista Pharmaceuticals recently announced that it has entered into a definitive agreement under which it will be acquired by the Chiesi Group upon the closing of the deal. The transaction may constitute a change of control under our royalty agreement with KalVista. We continue to evaluate our rights and obligations under the purchase agreement. No determination has been made by either party regarding the exercise of any put or buyback rights. That said, this transaction underscores the discipline of our underwriting process and our investment approach. It is a validation of the team's continued high quality underwriting work and demonstrates another example where our view on an asset was proven out in this way. We remain excited about what Ecterly and the calvista team will do in the HAE market, but also see ample opportunity to invest the capital into other high return transactions in the event the change in control clauses are exercised. DRI never buys an asset with a view to part ways with it, but we have shown our ability to redeploy capital successfully in similar occasions and will do so again here should the occasion arise. In March, Viridian published top line data from its phase three Reveal 1 study of Allegrobert. While the data from Reveal 1 was statistically significant, the magnitude of the efficacy did not meet the threshold for DRI to pay certain milestone payments of $40 million to Veridian. As a reminder, DRI acquired the Veridian royalty interest for an aggregate purchase price of up to $300 million, including a 55 million upfront payment and up to $245 million subject to the achievement of certain milestones. Our maximum potential future milestone obligation has now been reduced by $40 million to $205 million from that $245 million. It is important to note that our royalty rates remain unchanged and that will be applicable to both Veligrotog and Eliquart. We structured the royalty transaction in a manner which would de risk the preapproval investment, underscoring the importance of this milestone structure. Consequently, our deal returns are largely unaffected. Turning to our balance sheet and credit facility, we executed several initiatives to improve our flexibility and optionality for the business to increase unitholder value during the quarter, we further reduced the number of preferred shares outstanding by partially redeeming and canceling $9.9 million of face value of our Series C preferred securities for $9.8 million along with outstanding and accrued interest. Also in March, the Company completed two financing transactions that meaningfully strengthened our balance sheet to position the company for long term success. We closed a $250 million private placement of senior notes in the U.S. comprised of 106 million aggregate principal amount of 5.35% senior secured notes due March 24th, 2031 and $144 million aggregate principal amount of 5.65% senior secured notes due 3-24-202033. The senior notes carry a lower overall cost of debt and extend the debt maturity profile of the Company. The net proceeds were used to repay a portion of the acquisition and working capital credit facilities. Critically, this transaction also marks our inaugural entry into the US Private placement market, diversifying access to debt capital and opening a new and very sizable source of of long term institutional financing. We also issued 108.7 million Canadian dollars of 5.75% unsecured subordinate debentures maturing February 2031. The purchase price for the debentures was exclusively satisfied through the exchange of US$79.7 million of our existing 7.5% Series C preferred securities. The debentures offer a substantially lower interest rate relative to the Preferred securities and provide meaningful repayment flexibility, preserving capital for deployment into new royalty opportunities. We believe that the two financing initiatives will allow us to pursue a more balanced approach to capital deployment with a mix of high cash flowing assets that are highly financeable alongside preapproval deals similar to the ones we recently completed which enhanced both our returns and portfolio duration. As the business has matured, we are in a better position to think through shaping our portfolio over the long term to meet a balanced objective of optimal levered returns and growth and we have built the tools and the balance sheet to pursue this objective. I will now turn the call over to Naveen Jacob, our Chief Investment Officer. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Thank you Ali. Touching first on our portfolio performance, Slide 7 shows the individual royalty receipts for the first quarter of 2026 compared to the same period in the previous year and quarter. Our portfolio generated total cash receipts of roughly $58 million, a decrease of $3.6 million or 6% versus Q1 2025. The decrease was driven by several factors. First, a one time roughly $17.5 million payment to DRI in Q1 25 for the removal of certain deductions previously incurred on the Orserdu II transaction and second lower receipts from Eylea and Orserdu due to market share factors driven by generics. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) These decreases were partially offset by a $5 million $0.31 milestone payment received in Q1.26 which was triggered by strong Q4 2025 sales coupled with strong overall assertive royalty performance. Also partially offsetting the declines was approximately $2 million in receipts earned from Ecterly which as a reminder had no receipts in Q1 of last year. Our first ectorly receipt started in Q4 2025. Turning to specific individual product performance, let me start with Omidria in Q1. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) 26 royalty receipts increased 9% from the previous year. We continue to monitor the asset which has been impacted by the Merit based Incentive payment system or MIPS in 2025 with slower than expected uptake in the hospital setting relative to our initial expectations. As we have outlined before, Raynor continues to take active steps to improve the performance. While these initiatives are all encouraging, we maintain our expectation of flat sales or no growth for Omidria over the next few years. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) We have received an update on Q1. 26 Omidria sales which exhibited year over year growth of 10% versus Q1 2025. Q1 Omidria performance is in line with our previously discussed expectations. Turning to Cascavi as as a reminder, we are paid in two ways for Cascavi 1 an annual license fee of $5 million in the first quarter of every year. 2 we may be eligible in the future for annual sales based performance fees if annual sales are over a billion dollars. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Since launch, Cascavi has seen over 500 patients initiate treatment and Vertex recently secured a pricing agreement on Cascavi for eligible patients in Germany. In addition, Vertex submitted a BLA to expand pediatric usage for 5 to 11 year olds which has been granted a Commissioner's National Priority voucher. Vertex reported Q1.26 sales of 43 million for Cascavi. The trailing 12 months of actuals are roughly one to one and a half years ahead of our acquisition expectations. Looking now at Ecterly, we recorded cash receipts of $1.8 million in Q1 26 in the US, Ecterly has shown strong performance with KalVista's business receiving roughly 1700 patient start forms as of February 28, 2026, up roughly 400 patient forms since December. This new total represents almost 20% of the US patient population, with the asset now tracking at least one year ahead of what we initially expected. Ectorly's early launch in Germany is also exhibiting similar characteristics to the US launch as adoption, utilization and growth continue to build in Japan. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Ecterly is now the first and only oral on demand therapy available. We congratulate our partners at Calvista on the recent announcement of their acquisition by Chiesi Moving to assertive, DRI recorded royalty receipts of 27 million in Q1.26, a 14% year over year decrease versus Q1.25 due to the aforementioned tough comparison in Q1.25 during which DRI received a one time payment. Recall Q1.26 assertu royalty receipts are made up of 22 million in royalty receipts and a milestone payment to DRI of $5 million. We reiterate our acquisition underwriting assume 2025 is the peak year for Assertio due to competition from other oral surds and novel PI3K inhibitors. Interestingly, though Q1 2026 a Sirtu sales performance looks strong and we anticipate receiving approximately $16 million in royalty receipts in Q2 2026. While Q1.26 is down quarter over quarter versus Q4.25, Q1 is seasonally the weakest quarter for Assertio and the quarter over quarter trend is in line with historical quarters. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) As you know, Certu has exceeded our expectations from launch to date. Intriguingly, we are monitoring various Assertio life cycle management studies and which if positive could represent substantial upside to our acquisition expectations. Turning to Spinraza, in the first quarter of 2026 the cash receipts were down 8% year over year, mainly due to a one time VAT refund occurring in Q1 2025. Biogen reported worldwide Spinraza sales of $374 million for Q1.26, a decline of 12% year over year versus Q1 2025. Finrasa continues to be impacted by lower demand and unfavorable inventory dynamics both in the US and internationally. Demand is affected by competition from Roche's EBRISI as it expands its global position, driven in part by the rollout of its oral tablet formulation. Finras performance however, is in line with our expectations and Q1 26 sales should translate to between 3 to 4 million dollars of royalty receipts in Q2.26 for DRI. Moving on to Bonjour Q1.26 cash receipts which reflect Q4.25 sales were modestly lower by 2% versus the same period last year. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Recall Q4.25 sales were impacted by negative gross to net adjustments and destocking. Tobii recently commented that the confirmatory phase 3 study of Vonjo called Pacifica is fully enrolled. If successful, these data will be used for regulatory submissions of pacritinib Vonjo in the EU and Japan. Clinical trials to investigate the potential for Vonjo and other new indications are also underway. These new indications were not included in our original acquisition forecast. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Sovi reported Q1.26 sales of approximately $30 million which should translate to royalty receipts of approximately 3.5 million in in Q2.26 recall during Q3.25 we lowered our expectations on Bonjour and the latest quarter's estimates are in line with our reforecast of the asset. Turning to slide 8, we provide the latest update on our Viridian assets. As ALI already discussed, Viridian announced positive top line results from the Reveal 1 Phase 3 trial of EligoBard in patients with active TET. While results were positive, they did not meet pre specified thresholds required for DRI to pay 40 million of milestone payments tied to the phase three readout in early May. Viridian also provided positive top line results on Reveal 2, which is a phase 3 study of alligobart in patients with chronic Tet. Alligobart is now the only subcutaneous program to demonstrate positive phase three data in both active and chronic TED. Veridian anticipates a BLA submission for Oligrobart in Q1.27 if approved. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) L. Grobart has the potential to be a convenient subcutaneous autoinjector with a competitive clinical profile including fewer doses and a shorter treatment duration and as such our outlook for allogrobart remains very positive. More near term though is the PDUFA approval date for Veligrotug of June 30th compared to the currently approved IV IGFR1R therapy for Ted. We believe Veligrotog has a highly competitive profile including strong improvements in not only proptosis but but also diplopia response across both active and chronic ted. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Importantly, veligrotq provides patients with significant convenience advantages through fewer infusions and shorter infusion times. Finally, several non IGF1R classes of drugs have recently produced mixed or negative data in late stage trials supporting IGF1R as the most clinically and commercially validated mechanism in TED. In our acquisition model we had included some of these non IGF1R drugs. Thus their weak data provides at a minimum a very healthy safety margin to our acquisition forecast with potential for material upside. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Before I close, I'd like to touch on thoughts regarding the market and our positioning for 2026. During the first quarter of 2026 we tracked at least three royalty deals for a total of approximately $400 million in announced value and more than 50 equity Zahid Malwani deals across the United States and Europe for a total of $10 billion raised by biopharma companies on a trailing 12 month basis. The size of royalty deals is at least $6.6 billion, up nearly 20% versus the same period ending in Q1 2025. In closing, we expect the market to continue to grow driven by favorable industry tailwinds and amplified by continued market awareness for royalties. I will now turn the call over to Zahid Malwani to review our first quarter financial performance. Zahid Malwani Thank you Naveen. Turning to the first quarter results, our total income was $50.6 million, an increase of $6.5 million or 15% year over year, primarily driven by higher royalty income led by Reserdu and Ecterly and continued strength of Zolaire. These were partially offset by lower Von Joe, lower sales for Rydapt as prior year income included a one time adjustment in sales and a decline in sales for ORASIA due to competition from generic products. Turning to expenses, our total expenses were $42.2 million, approximately $3.6 million lower versus last year. This was primarily driven by internalization synergies including the elimination of performance fees, lower compensation as well as other lower other expenses. These were partially offset by higher unit based compensation from mark to market, adjustments on restricted unit grants and some incremental transaction costs related to our financing initiatives in the quarter 3/4 post internalization. Zahid Malwani We continue to deliver at a pace which is ahead of our synergy targets and are pleased with the execution and discipline shown from our entire team. Additionally, this quarter, as part of the accounting for the financing initiatives mentioned earlier, we recognized a loss on debt refinancing of $9.8 million in the quarter relating to the preferred securities conversion. This $9.8 million is comprised of a loss of $1.2 million related to the partial purchase and cancellation of the 2024 Preferred securities and a loss of $7.3 million resulting from the extinguish of the 2024 Preferred securities in exchange for issuing new debentures. Zahid Malwani Finally, Unamortized deferred transaction costs of $1.3 million related to the portion of the 2024 preferred securities exchanged were also recognized as a loss on debt refinancing. Notably, these accounting adjustments are one time in nature and do not impact adjusted EBITDA. All in our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $52.8 million, which increased by $1.1 million over the first quarter last year. On a rate basis, our adjusted EBITDA margin was 90% versus 83% in the first quarter of 2025. Zahid Malwani Cash receipts for the quarter were $58.4 million, a decrease of 6% year over year. The decrease was driven by the cycling of the previously discussed $17.6 million or Sirdu II. Lower receipts from Eylea and Oracea, partially offset by the $5 million Orserdu milestone payment coupled with strong overall Orserdu sales and $1.8 million in receipts from Ecterly. We generated adjusted cash earnings per unit of $0.68 and we announced yesterday our quarterly distribution of $0.11 per unit which will be paid on July 20, 2026 to unitholders of record. June 30, 2026. Turning to Slide 12, we continue to generate strong cash flows from our assets. Over the last 12 months ending March 31, 2026, we recorded total income of $205.1 million. After adjusting for receivables, net unrealized and realized gains, the net change in financial royalty, asset and other non cash items, we achieved normalized total cash receipts of $192.8 million. After our operating expenses, management and performance fees and net change in performance fees payable, which collectively totaled $26.7 million. Adjusted EBITDA was $166.1 million with a trailing twelve month adjusted EBITDA margin of 86%. We also generated adjusted cash earnings per unit of $2.51. Moving to slide 13, as of March 31, we had $52.5 million of cash and cash equivalents. We also had $54.3 million of royalties, receivables and $502.7 million of credit availability from our bank facilities. Using the net proceeds from our US Private placement as well as cash on hand, we repaid $263.8 million on our credit facility in the quarter. We continue to be well capitalized and well positioned to fulfill any prospective milestone commitments as well as continue to invest in new assets. Furthermore, we will continue to allocate a portion of our capital towards unit Buybacks the TSX has accepted our notice of intention to renew our ncib. We will retain discretion whether to make any purchases under the new NCIB and to determine the timing, amount and acceptable price of any such purchases, subject at all times to applicable TSX and other regulatory requirements. All units purchased by the Trust under the new NCIB will be canceled. Beginning May 20, 2026. Through May 19, 2027, we will have the ability to purchase approximately 3.1 million units in aggregate. Importantly, any capital allocation to the NCIB will not have a material impact on our acquisition ability. During the three months ended March 31, 2026, the Trust acquired and canceled 76,000 units at an average price of $11.31, totaling $859,000 as of March 31, 2026. In aggregate, we have acquired and canceled 4.7 million units at an average price per unit of $7.15, totaling $33.5 million. Under all current and previous NCIB plans, from March 31, 2026 to May 12, 2026, we acquired an additional 38,000 units under the May 2025 NCIB plan at an average price of $11. 67, totaling 448,000 DOL. That concludes our prepared remarks. And with that, let's open the call to questions. OPERATOR Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press Star followed by the 1. On your touchtone phone, you will hear prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press Star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment please for your first question. Your first question comes from Douglas Mime with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Douglas Mime (Analyst) Yeah. Good morning everyone. I have two questions. My first one has to do with the Ecterly situation. And when we ran our math, it did look attractive for Chiesi to buy back this royalty, estimating at least a 17, 18% Internal Rate of Return (IRR) on their part if they were to go ahead with it. So I think they will. However, what I'm curious about is your commentary around that may represent a change of control. Would you be willing to expand on that so that we can be more confident in what might happen here? Ali Hadiyat Hey, Doug, it's Ali. Thanks for the question. Look, I wouldn't read much into that. I just think we are at a phase in this process where, you know, beyond what you're seeing on the tape, we have pretty limited information. So we're essentially working through it from our vantage point and trying to figure out what's optimal for us. I'm sure they're doing the same thing and you know, we will see where all of that leads in effect. You know, I wouldn't read into that that we have determined that it's on one side of the fence or the other side of the fence. Okay, perfect. Douglas Mime (Analyst) And just my follow up question has to do with the refinancing of the debt and what you're able to accomplish there, which seems very attractive. Taking down your cost of debt by approximately, 150 basis points or so. How important is that to the company when it's considering new royalty opportunities? And how would that compare relative to perhaps your competition? Ali Hadiyat And I'll leave it there. Thank you. I'd reframe that, I guess by saying, you know, it's, it's when you look at the realm of cash flowing assets that are approved, I think the debt refinancing gives us two meaningful benefits. The first one as you allude to is a lower cost of capital which makes us significantly more competitive. And I think that's something that we will certainly make use of. I think the second one is it allows us access to a very deep pool of capital that could, especially for those types of assets, make us significantly more capable of doing larger size transactions. So I think it helps us on both fronts and I would go back to something I've been talking about and I alluded to on the call a bit earlier is it also helps us to really think about the shape of the portfolio. We can drop in cash flowing assets at leveraged returns that are very attractive to us at this lower cost of debt. Then we can sort of balance them out with longer duration, higher return transactions on an unlevered basis in the pre approval market. And I think that allows us to approach the broad royalty investing space with a very balanced and very thoughtful approach and really start looking at our portfolio more at a portfolio level rather than a sort of transaction to transaction type of framework. So I think that's probably the way I would look at it. OPERATOR Okay, that's great. Thanks very much. Your next question comes from Nathan Poe with National Bank Financial. Your line is now open. Nathan Poe (Analyst) Good morning everyone. Thank you for taking my question. So I want to follow up on that mix of pre approval and commercial assets. I know last quarter we did speak to that as well. How do you expect leverage to shape up throughout the year and can you dive into more of the mechanics of how this stack enhances your flexibility to take that portfolio approach. Ali Hadiyat I think if you, if you were to take the two extremes and say look, we're going to buy a highly cash flowing asset that is three or four years into its sales curve, that asset fits into our facilities very well from a leverage perspective and the cost of debt underlying that leverage is lower. When you think about returns to unitholders, those are ultimately leveraged returns. And if we can apply more leverage and apply it at a lower cost, I think that allows us to be more active in the space of assets that are and be more competitive in that space than we have been historically. The other end of the spectrum, obviously a pre approval asset two or three years or one or two years away from sales is not an asset that we can really pass through our leverage facilities in an easy way because it's not generating trailing cash flow. So what we are trying to do here is to say, all right, let's look at the scope of transactions available to us, let's think about how they fit into our balance sheet and let's construct a portfolio where we're sitting at an optimal point of leveraged returns, duration and growth over time. And I think being able to be more competitive in the approved asset space while extending our duration and boosting our unleveraged returns with preapproval assets is really an optimal way to do that. So I think what you'll see us do is be a lot more thoughtful about how an asset fits into our portfolio alongside the usual criteria we apply at the asset level and optimize for that. So I think the history of the company looking backwards was very much sort of an asset by asset type framework. I think right now we'll still have that, but we'll have a portfolio framework that is more meaningful as well. Nathan Poe (Analyst) Thank you. I appreciate the color. And you mentioned earlier royalty deals are up 20% year over year. So as you evaluate new royalty opportunities in the current market environment, are you seeing any changes in expected return, threshold competition or transaction structures? Ali Hadiyat I'll let Naveen speak to the royalty market but one thing I do want to highlight with the growth in the market and I think this is an important comment. You know, I think looking back two or three years ago when capital was relatively scarce in the sector and the biotechs were having difficulty funding an equity markets M and A was, you know, absent for the most part and debt markets were quite difficult, there was a thought that the growth in royalties over that period reflected essentially some degree of necessity on the part of biotechs and not genuine penetration of the asset class as a form of funding. And what I think is really important to highlight in the growth last year is to us that is a proof point that it's the opposite. That despite markets being very open last year, despite people having access to equity, despite people having access to debt, despite there being a pretty active M and A market, we still had very significant growth in royalties. And I think that speaks to the royalty asset class becoming more and more relevant as a source of funding for the industry overall. And we're super excited about that. Naveen, I don't know if you want to talk about the returns. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Well, I mean a few things. There are a couple more competitors in the space but as we've noted before, this is not, not an easy business to get into because there are multiple different verticals that are very different from other investment vehicles. You may be able to source but actually execute is a hard thing. You may be able to execute, but sourcing is a complicated feat in and of itself and there are legal components both on the IP front and the contract front. So the competition if anything just highlights the fact that there is a significant growth opportunity for the royalty investment business. So we're not necessarily concerned about the competition. It just highlights the fact again that the royalty business, as we've been saying for the last few years, we believe is going to be a greater proportion of how biotech companies raise capital with regards to returns perhaps in the post approval setting. And by post approval I mean several years. If a product's been approved for several years, perhaps that return has come down a touch. But on the other hand, the overall market has grown as you've seen, so net net we still are quite bullish on the opportunities that we we see Nathan Poe (Analyst) in front of us. That's helpful, thank you. And the EBITDA margin this quarter was above our expectations. Were there any one timers embedded in your results helping the margin profile or is this more indicative of a sustainable level going forward, especially post internalization? Ali Hadiyat I'll let Zahid speak to the line item specifics. But look, we've been saying post internalization pretty consistently that the impact of internalization was to meaningfully raise our Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization (EBITDA)) margins. And we've been demonstrating that over a number of quarters. I think the current levels are reflective of a period of time where we haven't been reinvesting as aggressively as we'd like to in the business. So we're going to do some of that over the next two or three quarters. But I think even adjusted for the impact of that Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization (EBITDA)) margins are going to be meaningfully higher than they were in the pre internalization paradigm. And you should think of them in sort of the high 80s to 90 range on a sustainable basis. And I think as some of the impact of that growth investment kicks in in the top line, margins will probably creep back to the higher end of that range. Zahid Malwani Yeah. And Nathan Sahid, hi. I just wanted to clarify one thing is that you did see a number of new things on our statements and none of those are flowing through to adjusted ebitda. So you know, some are one time like I talked about in my prepared remarks, some, you know, you'll see just as a matter of course due to our financing initiatives, but they're not going OPERATOR to impact margins going forward. Nathan, that's helpful. Thank you very much. I'll turn it over. Your next question comes from Michael Freeman with Raymond James. Your line is now open. Michael Freeman (Analyst) Good morning, Ali, Naveena Zahida, Congratulations on the results. Thanks for touching on the Veridian reveal one and reveal two readouts for Ellie. And that detail has been helpful. I wonder if you could talk about, you know, how you're thinking about its marketing, market positioning, I guess for both Ellie and Valley versus Topaza and how this might compare to your underwriting assumptions and how and then ultimately how this will influence royalty returns. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) Thanks, Michael. So we, well, first with regards to our underwriting expectations, how things have played out are largely in line with our expectations, particularly because we had structured the deal in the way we had I think reflects the type of research that we do, the depth of research that we do. And then add on top of that the ability to create novel financial structures that provide adequate returns that are not just adequate but healthy returns for our unitholders. With regards to the positioning, we're very excited by what Viridian is capable of doing. What has been shown by both Veligortag as well as so starting with Veligritu. That alone, even though it's IV is in our opinion superior to Topaza simply because of the fact that it has shown efficacy not only in the active tet space but also in the chronic TED space. It has shown efficacy not only in proptosis response that is equivalent to at least equivalent to that of Topaza, but also diplopia response was very strong and both again in not just inactive but in the chronic TED space. And furthermore, there is strong convenience benefit with Velagro Tag relative to Topaza 5 infusions, a shorter infusion time relative to 8 infusions that are longer infusion time with Topaza. Now you turn to allegrobart. Now that is so Reveal one. Obviously relative to the Viridian investors, expectations may have not come in as strong as they had anticipated, but it is nonetheless a solid product for ActiveTet, particularly when you consider the fact that it is a true subcutaneous autoinjector. And that's important relative to the hype. This in quotation marks subcutaneous version that Amgen is coming with, which is not, which is a not really a true subcutaneous. And importantly, I think Reveal two turned out which is the chronic TED space and that's really where allegrobar can shine is that data came, I think, better than everyone's expectations. Chronic TED is a hard space to penetrate and you really needed a subcutaneous auto injector to be able to grow that market and penetrate that market. And the asset has shown high quality data there. And so we're excited about the Virgin team. They have a strong marketing team. We're excited to see what they can do with both assets. Okay. Michael Freeman (Analyst) All right, thank you very much, Naveen. That's really helpful. Now we see that you reactivated the NCIB and are buying back shares. You know, clearly there's a view that your units are undervalued. Related to that, I wonder if you could touch on the acquisition of Zelma by Ligand Pharmaceuticals and what read throughs to DRI should the market take from this transaction? Ali Hadiyat Look, I'm not sure we're going to spend a lot of time commenting on acquisitions of other companies, but what I will say is it's, you know, it shows the value of some of the pre approval portfolio and the expansion of our strategy into that space. I think the risk return that we're capturing in our transactions I personally think is more favorable than what Zoma has been doing historically as a strategy. So I like our positioning there, but I think it does show the deep value in that space. OPERATOR Okay. All right, thank you very much. I'll pass it on. Justin Keywood (Analyst) Your next question comes from Justin Keywood with Stifel. Your line is now open. Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. Just with the outperformance in Q1 and positive outlook for Q2 and Orserdu, should we expect 2026 to trend to the upper end of the annual guidance? Ali Hadiyat Hi, thanks for the question. Look, I think it's a little early for us to make guidance revisions, but we're obviously very pleased with how our Sirdu and the broader portfolio are doing. We'll Continue to monitor that as we go through the year sequentially. But I think it's a bit early for us to revise annual guidance at this point. Justin Keywood (Analyst) Understood. And then on Orserdu there was mention of lifestyle management studies that could lead to additional upside if we could have some additional color on what those studies could be, the timing of and what the potential upside may be. And then also we've noticed unfavorable Advisory Committee (AdCom) for a competitive or potential competitive drug to or Orserdu by AstraZeneca. And does that impact the outlook at all? Ali Hadiyat Yeah, let me start with the. Hi Les, how are you? Let me start with the AstraZeneca Camizestrant ADCOM first we'll say look SERENA-6 we always felt was a very novel study but on the other hand it was as the ADCOM proved, a strange way of defining first line. It's not really first line. We've always internally called it one and a half lines because you're waiting for the mutation to pop up before you give. Before you give. Now FDA has historically gone in favor of an outcome but it may not. And so it's still possible that Camazestrant is approved for the first line setting. Regardless, I think what's important is that we had built Camizestrant into our expectation and other competition into our expectation expectations at the time of the acquisition. And you know, so to the extent that competition does not play out, that is upside for us. But just to be clear in our, in my personal opinion, Gamazestrin is an active molecule and so where it actually ends up with an approval is yet to be determined. We'll leave that to the FDA with regards to life cycle management programs as we discussed in the last quarter. We discussed this in quite a bit of detail in the last quarter. There's several trials ongoing, the most notable one of which is the adjuvant study that'll read out call it 2028 roughly. We say that's the most notable because that's really the driver behind why Roche has called their oral sur geodestrint. They have noted that that drug is going to be their biggest drug ever, which implies a peak guidance of over $8 billion. I'll remind folks that we have a double digit royalty on a Orserdu. If you look at the monotherapy efficacy of Geodestrant versus Assertu, you cannot tell the difference. The adjuvant studies that are being that was run by Roche is a monotherapy study. Assertu's adjuvant study is also a monotherapy study, we'll see how it plays out. But certainly that was not in our acquisition expectations. And so the risk reward from a unit holder perspective relative to our underwriting is skewed significantly to the upside. And now whether that how that plays out and all the other competition that's coming, I'll leave it to you good folks to determine that. But it is certainly all skewed to the upside relative to our underwriting expectations. OPERATOR Understood, very helpful, thank you. Your next question comes from Les Sulueski with Truist Security. Your line is now open. Jeevan Hey, this is Jeevan on for Less. Thanks for taking our questions. Do you see the new owners of Ectorly as potentially improving the long term opportunity for the drug? And does your optionality tied to the acquisition influence the types of deals that you're prioritizing this year in terms of potentially replacing that exposure? Thank you. Ali Hadiyat Hi, it's Ali. I'll let Naveen answer the first question. I think on the second one, look, we haven't really made any determination on in the event that that capital comes our way, how we're going to allocate it. I would say it obviously in conjunction with these debt facilities opens a door for us to do something more meaningful from a size perspective than we would have otherwise. But beyond that, which is a relatively obvious statement, you know, we haven't really gone through the process of thinking about how we'll allocate it yet Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) with regards to ksc. OPERATOR Look, they're well capitalized company that is clearly has ambitions in the rare disease space. They have some experience in the rare disease space. I suspect they will take on, this is just a guess to take on a lot of the calvista folks because they have. Calvista is very specific to HAE and CASI does not have a presence in hae. The folks at Calvus are very strong from a commercial perspective, from multiple perspectives, but particularly in the commercial setting. We were very excited by what they were capable of doing and that has been proven out just in the first couple of quarters here. The product has done extremely well. So we're excited in either, in either instance. And just if I'll just reiterate with what Ali says and just add to it that if there is capital that comes in, if there are proceeds that come in from an option exercise, we have a large pipeline, we have a strong proven track record of deploying and doing so through our proven rigorous investment process. You know, the research around calvista was deep and you know, there was a lot of skepticism on the street side with regards to ecterly and its opportunity, we thought differently and our research has been proven correct. Your next question comes from Ash Verma with UBS Financial. Your line is now open. Ash Verma (Analyst) Guys, thanks for taking our question and congrats on all the progress. Maybe just the royalty market growth that you mentioned of like 20%. Is there some unique dynamic that is driving that in the recent path? Could it be some of the, you know, the scale ups that we've seen on new pairs coming in just like help us understand how sustainable that is. And then secondly, in terms of like where you are right now, in terms of focusing on the portfolio construction going forward, how are you thinking more from a balance of commercial stage assets versus the mid stage clinical or early stage clinical? Like what's the right balance for you going forward? Ali Hadiyat I think on the first question regarding the growth in the market, I'll just repeat what I said, which is I think it's reflective of a greater penetration of royalty as a financing method in the aggregate capital stack of the biotech sector. So I think what you're seeing is more and more people get comfortable with what are the benefits of royalty in lieu of equity or debt or other forms of financing. And as you alluded to, obviously there's concurrently been an increase in supply to some extent of people willing to fund that. But I would say the demand for that capital continues to grow ahead or in line with the supply. So I think what we're seeing is the asset class penetrate the sector to a greater degree. And yes, there has been some increase of supply of capital as well, but not in a way that sort of outpaces from our perspective the increase in demand. I think in terms of thinking through the portfolio, we're not at this point in time in the early stage business. And I think that's something that unlikely to be in the near future. I would say when you think about the types of pre approval deals that we're doing, I think we have proved out a pretty successful methodology there in terms of our transaction structures. We're really happy with the way we put together the Veridian deal and I think it provides an archetype of what an ideal transaction in that space would look like going forward. That said, we're going to have to customize and tailor our transactions as we always do to meet the need of our counterparties. And that's really one of the big elements of our competitive edge. And I think Naveen and the team have done an extraordinary job of matching the interests of unitholders with the ability to get deals done through that customization. When you think about how we balance that out with approved assets, as I said, what we're really targeting is an optimal mix of levered returns over time. And I think the pre approval space stating the obvious provides, you know, higher unlevered returns and higher duration. The approved space against the obvious provides maybe a little bit lower duration and lower unlevered returns. However, it is more leverageable. And I think what you're trying to do is really blend those two things, run them through your balance sheet and optimize where you sit on the levered return curve. And that's really how we're thinking about it. OPERATOR Thank you. Your next question comes from Louise Chen with Scotia Meg. Your line is now open. Hi. Louise Chen (Analyst) Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to ask you on Vela Groteg, if you do get this product or if Riddie and gets this product approved, when will you start recognizing revenue for it and is there any milestone payment associated with the approval? And and secondly, wanted to ask you on Casgevi, do you think or how likely do you think it is that you will recognize the fees that you talked about for this product? And if so, when do you think you might see something like that? Thank you. On Vella Growtog, yes, we have a $75 million milestone payment upon approval. We will start recording royalty income the first quarter it's approved or rather the first quarter they have sales royalty receipts come in one quarter after. So there's a one quarter lag for the royalty receipts relative to the sales on Casgevy. Look, the product is doing well. Vertex is executing well. It's performing roughly one to one and a half years faster than we had anticipated relative to our acquisition forecast. And what I just say is that what we've said before is that, you know, we anticipate sales based performance fees to start kicking in in the second half of our entitlement. The length of our entitlement which we have disclosed previously. Thank you. OPERATOR Your next question comes from Tanya Armstrong with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open. Tanya Armstrong (Analyst) Good morning guys. Just a couple from me. So first off, just speaking to these change of control events, are you more likely to see these with pre approval entitlements and how does that factor into your return forecasting and risk modeling? Ali Hadiyat Hey Tanya, you know, I'll let Naveen speak to the general sort of elements of that in deal structure. What I would highlight here is that we're pretty conscious of Balancing effectively the change in control clauses when they are in our agreements with our projected returns. So from an NPV perspective, they're not particularly meaningful in the sense that we're achieving similar NPVs than we would with the transaction. And that's by construct. I think the important factor to think about with these is the compounding effect of bringing in that capital and redeploying it at the transaction level. Even if you're NPV neutral, what's happening at the portfolio level is you're bringing forward that capital and you're able to redeploy it again and it's more capital. Stating the obvious, because obviously you're getting a multiple and the impact of that is reasonably meaningful, as it was in past instances where similar things have happened to us. Tanya Armstrong (Analyst) Okay, thank you. And then in terms of the investments that you laid out or the planned investments for Q2 to Q4, given your higher EBITDA margins post internalization, could you kind of segment where that money is going, exactly what lines of the business you're going to be investing in? Ali Hadiyat I think there's a few areas that are relatively straightforward to think through. One is the obvious of people, and I think we continue to look for the best people that we can add to the team across functions, notably on the investing side, but also in other areas of our business. I think maybe one that's a little bit less intuitive is data. And I think the higher margin structure and growth allows us to really think about a different caliber of data that we can acquire. And I think that really helps to enhance the diligence that the team is doing and their ability to do sort of more and more innovative transactions. So I think those are the two big areas that we will focus on. As I said, I think we're doing it in a way that is very thoughtful. So leaving aside the quarter on quarter volatility, I think our margins will sort of stay around current levels, maybe a point lower or something like that. In the medium term, there may be some quarterly cadence where we're reinvesting ahead of revenue growth and you drop down to the high 80s and then you go up to the 90s again. But I think that range is sort of the right way to think about the business. But obviously for us, the key focus as we get internalization and the synergies behind us, driving offline, that's really the way we're thinking about the business now. OPERATOR Excellent. I'll pass the line. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have a question, please press Star one. Your next Question comes from Erin Cobb with cibc. Your line is now open. Erin Cobb Hi. Thank you. Just one question from me. It sounds like there's potential to have a lot more optionality with the actoe potential buyback option, less milestones payable to Veridian after the phase one or reveal one readout and the debt refinancing. So just with that in mind, I'm just wondering if you can speak to the shape of the pipeline, you know, if there's more nearer term opportunities that you're tracking, larger size deals, Just how should we think about your ability to potentially redeploy more capital this year than you potentially could have at the beginning of the year? Ali Hadiyat I think the big changes in the scope of what. Sorry, go ahead, Navi. Naveen Jacob (Chief Investment Officer) No, I was just going to say, Aaron, a lot has been happening over the last month, month and a half, a couple of changes that as you noted, bring in more capacity than we had anticipated at the beginning of the year. Between the tremendous job that Ali and Pava Ferramond, our EVP head of RiskOps, have done with regards to our refinancing and strengthening of the balance sheet, as well as the milestone that we're not paying out for the reveal studies, as well as some optionality here that may come that has, as you noted very rightly, that changes our potential capacity. And so we are continuing to assess. We have a very large pipeline, but as you've seen us do, we're highly methodical in our approach to constructing a portfolio that balances our ability to refinance as well as provide long term growth to unitholders. And we want to do so in a way that creates value. So we're going to be extremely disciplined and we're not going to put out artificial timelines and push just for the sake of pushing, but rather do so in a way that's extremely well thought out. We've guided to not to expect a transaction till the second half of the year. I'll reiterate that. And especially since we do have more options than we initially thought at the beginning of the year, I would suggest anticipating a transaction towards the later bit of the second half of this year. Ali Hadiyat Aaron, I'll just chime in there and say, you know, probably the most important thing is just the change in scope of what we can contemplate given this. And I think we may opt to use that scope or we may just opt to do more of the types of things that we were contemplating doing earlier in the year, more dollars of that. But it also opens the door for? I would say something a bit broader potentially more ambitious. But whether or not we choose to do that, I think will depend on the various options that we have in the pipeline. But it just gives us a range of potential actions that were more difficult to contemplate before this happened. Erin Cobb Thank you. OPERATOR There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call over to Ali for closing remarks. Ali Hadiyat Great. Thank you everyone for joining us. And thank you again for the DRI team for your hard work and putting up another great quarter. We look forward to speaking with all of you again in August for our second quarter. Disclaimer: This transcript is provided for informational purposes only. While we strive for accuracy, there may be errors or omissions in this automated transcription. For official company statements and financial information, please refer to the company's SEC filings and official press releases. 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