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    morning_windSep 2 at 02:16 PM

    $Alphabet(GOOGL.US)$Taiwan Semiconductor(TSM.US) continuing to discuss AI progress and impressions:

    (1) LLMs have continued to develop rapidly over the past quarter. On one hand, we see technology diffusing quickly; DeepSeek no longer seems as dazzling. Domestic models like Hunyuan, K3, and GLM 5.3 have made significant progress, giving the impression that they've firmly crossed the kill line and secured their spot on the boat. Meanwhile, OpenAI and Anthropic continue to make substantial strides in coding and beyond with Fable 5.1 this week and the imminent release of 6.0. From the frontier, both OpenAI and Anthropic, along with China's Zhipu, are advancing RSI (where an increasing proportion of AI drives its own evolution, maintaining acceleration).

    (2) The main issue with LLMs currently is that coding penetration is very high, essentially a solved problem. Current AI advancements are primarily driven by strong reliability and utility in other domains. However, I suspect it will take time to incubate the scenarios and users who can truly find valuable problems to solve with AI. Among those around me who max out their subscription plans and still complain about not having enough, they are mostly programmers. Other types of users seem unable to unlock the latest AI advancements, due to both the need for exploration and adaptation, and the gradual alignment required in workflow organization and environments.

    (3) In capital markets, I believe the poor market performance since August is mainly due to significant uncertainty in the US dollar macro environment and tightening liquidity. Stocks with high elasticity earlier are now experiencing greater volatility, affecting holding experience. I don't know how this will play out or if major issues will arise. But I believe that once the current situation passes, everything will return.

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    SerenityAug 8 at 06:26 AM

    I've mapped the entire Wall Street bear playbook on AI names:

    Have your favorite institution/media insert one of these name down below:

    1. < ______ [GPUs, Transcivers, MLCC, Memory...] are a commodity set to crash>

    2. < ______ [YMTC, CXMT, Dongshan...] from China will flood the market >

    3. < ______ [Micron, Nvidia, ...] from unverifiable channel checks is facing issues >

    4. < ______ [Kospi, Sivers, ...] is a bubble like the ____ [2007, 2021] crash>

    5. <____ [1,2,3, ...] unexpected rate hikes this year>

    6. < _____ [Google, Nvidia, Deepseek ...] optimization removes the need of this!>

    in a new headline, and it's ready to go!

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    morning_windJul 23 at 06:03 AM

    Recent complete sharing by Liang Wenfeng of DeepSeek

    1. When we first started this company, our original intention was not to think about how much money we would make in the end, or to go to the capital market, or to list on the stock exchange, or whatever. The initial dozens of people never thought like that; if they had, they wouldn't have joined. 2. We undertook this endeavor with great goodwill towards the world, believing it to be useful to humanityโ€”a matter beyond mere financial gain. Our original intent, our vision, and the vision we have maintained to this day were not driven by a strategy of maximizing commercial interests. 3. Managing a large company...

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    amitJul 22 at 12:01 PM

    $NVIDIA(NVDA.US)

    NVIDIA'S JENSEN HUANG GIVES AN UPDATE ON KIMI K3 AND CHINA'S OPEN SOURCE MODELS:

    "American companies should absolutely be allowed to use Chinese AI models. There's a misconception that somehow there are backdoors connected to China in someway. You download the models, fine tune them, guardrail them in any way you want."

    "These Chinese opensource models are excellent. The market has misunderstood the impact of DeepSeek the first time. It's misunderstood the impact of Kimi this time. Open models are great for the whole industry, there will be more usage which will require selling more Nvidia computers and building more datacenters."

    "Great models lead to more usage. There is also a misunderstanding that open models are going to hurt the closed models, that is also wrong."

    Source: amit

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    Alpha๏ฝžJul 22 at 05:10 AM

    Vera Rubin Just Moved the Goalposts for AI Compute

    While everyone was watching memory stocks explode, $NVIDIA(NVDA.US) quietly dropped the more important news of the day. Vera Rubin, its next generation platform, is now in full production. The numbe...

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    @SemiAnalysisJul 17 at 10:51 PM

    Similar to the panic over DeepSeek R1, some uneducated people think Kimi K3โ€™s use of linear attention (KDA) is bad for NVIDIA, HBM, DRAM, and networking because it has relatively lower KV-cache requirements. The opposite is true, and we explain why below. ๐Ÿ‘‡๏ธ 1/8๐Ÿงต

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    Paradi LabJul 17 at 12:21 PM

    The deadliest mountain in the world is K2 in Pakistan.

    But how deadly will the new K3 model by Moonshot be?

    In my view, this is not another "DeepSeek" moment. Kimi K3 is net-positive for the AI trade and compute demand, while being a net-negative for Western fronteir labs.

    After reading many reviews on X, my understanding is that Moonshot are just a few months behind the fronteir, rather than a full generation behind.

    I will caveat that I am far from being an AI "expert". However, I believe I understand the commercials at a high enough level to comment on and summarize.

    So from a commercial point of view, K3 comes out at roughly half the cost of Opus 4.8 for a slightly better model overall. Moonshot is charging ~$3 per million input tokens and ~$15 per million output tokens, the same rate card as Anthropic's mid-tier Sonnet and nearly 4x its own previous model.

    In my opinion, these pricing dynamics are what makes the DeepSeek comparisons I've seen on X to be very lazy.

    DeepSeek in Jan 2025 was a deflation event where they had near frontier capability built very cheaply and effectively given away at such low prices which implied that Western AI capex was excessive.

    Moonshot is doing the opposite. It's charging Western prices because it believes it is selling capability, not cheapness, most likely because Chinese labs are starving for compute and actually need the revenue to continue building and serving demand.

    The business model for fronteir labs like OpenAI and Anthropic is essentially the monetisation gap between their own leading models and everyone elses. Both of those companies are raising money at valuations that assume that gap stays wide and highly monetisable for years to come (at growing rates).

    However, many AI experts on X say that the Kimi K3 gap can now be measured in months, and that the tier just below the frontier, where the bulk of real commercial workloads actually run, is potentially about to be served up at very low commodity prices.

    As a result, the labs' defensible ground shrinks to the true frontier, to enterprise trust and security, and to distribution. Revenue can keep growing while pricing power erodes, and in my view, it is the pricing assumption (not the demand assumption) that carries Anthropic's and OpenAI's lofty valuations.

    Using SoftBank as a proxy for OpenAI, we saw today that their stock price fell a huge 9% after Kimi K3 was released. I believe, now, that this valuation-digest was and is warranted.

    I know many of my followers will care about the AI trade in upstream names though. However, I do not view the latest Kimi K3 model as having a fundamentally negative impact on those companies.

    Every K3 token will still consume chips, memory and power that remain effectively sold out into next year. Moonshot will certainly need to secure additional compute to facilitate growing demand for their models.

    As of right now, it does seem like exposure to model-layer margins, lab valuations and their listed proxies looks worse.

    Conversely, exposure to the infra in upstream supply chain names that serves tokens regardless of whose model wins looks cheaper, all things considered, for no fundamental reason.

    However....to be slightly more contrarian - you could argue that if cheaper Chinese models come to market at a rate of knots and leads to margin compression for the likes of OpenAI and Anthropic ---> will that not have a negative effect on their spend in the long-term? As a result, a negative effect on the upstream AI supply chain?

    I am yet to think through this in much detail, but it certainly deserves exploring.

    I want to finally mention some of the technical experts I have enjoyed reading since Kimi K3 came out, as a non-technical person:

    - @zephyr_z9

    - @scaling01

    - @FundaAI

    If you want to be someone who is constantly learning about AI, these guys are must-follows in my opinion.

    Of course, as always, I would encourage anyone to correct me or debate me if I am wrong in any area.

  • H
    Hardik ShahJul 14 at 02:31 PM

    ๐Ÿ“ข ๐‰๐”๐’๐“ ๐ˆ๐: DeepSeek Begins IPO Preparations, Eyes 2027 Public Debut

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ ๐Š๐ž๐ฒ ๐‡๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ:

    โžค ๐ƒ๐ž๐ž๐ฉ๐’๐ž๐ž๐ค has begun preparations for an ๐ˆ๐๐Ž, according to Bloomberg.

    โžค Company is targeting a ๐ฆ๐š๐ข๐ง๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ ๐‚๐ก๐ข๐ง๐š IPO filing in 2026.

    โžค Public market debut is planned for ๐ญ๐ฐ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฒ-๐ญ๐ฐ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฒ-๐ฌ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ง.

    โžค DeepSeek is working with ๐š๐œ๐œ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐  and banking advisors.

    โžค Company is seeking at least ๐‚๐๐˜ ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽ ๐›๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง in new private funding.

    โžค New funding targets a ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ž-๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ž๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐š๐ฅ๐ฎ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง of at least ๐‚๐๐˜ ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ–๐ŸŽ ๐›๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง.

    โžค Target valuation equals approximately ๐’๐Ÿ•๐Ÿ ๐›๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง.

    โžค DeepSeek closed a record ๐’๐Ÿ• ๐›๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐จ๐ง financing round weeks earlier.

    โžค IPO timing and fundraising plans remain ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐›๐ฃ๐ž๐œ๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐œ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐ž based on conditions.

  • W
    What TrendSpider SayJul 14 at 02:25 PM

    BREAKING: DeepSeek is preparing to file for IPO in China as soon as this year, per Bloomberg.

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